Tutorial Guide CS About my No recoil claim and report spam.

  1. Slayers

    Slayers New Member

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    Ok, people where asking me why i am reporting so many players for No recoil. It's simpel, i hate cheaters and I think Admins should ban them.
    And no recoil cheaters... it is a lot of them roaming the servers. Because it's not easy to notice or obvius when you face them.

    Some people are claming that i am wrong and a noob. And some people don't understand, so i thought ill break it down in text and a clip. So it's easier to spot them, keeping the community clean from this filth.

    I usually notice no recoil users when i get a hit/die at burst or tap range in a 1v1. Basicly what happen is that i get hit inbetween the timing when the recoil is resetting after tapping or bursting.
    Because the enemy is hitting me with bullets, at timings that do not exist within the games recoil pattern. Without some kind of cheat or pure luck it's not possible to hit shots so quickly after bursting or tapping with a straight line accuracy.
    You have to stop shoot and wait for the 1sec reset and you get the first bullet accuracy again or pause 1/2sec after a 4-5 bullet burst/tap and then shoot the 5th or 6th shot out of the recoil pattern with a slightly better control because of that small pause. But it will never ever be with first bullet accuracy.

    And spraying, no one is that good with that kind of consistency and bullets travel out of your crosshair when you spray, not sticking inside it like a fucking laser...this is not CoD. Learn to play scum!

     
  2. ahd

    ahd Moderator Staff Member Moderator CS Administrator Donator Map Developer

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    If I send you a demo of me shooting with the M4A1/AK-47 on a server, I'll get reported for using norecoil scripts/cheats too.

    The fact you're spotting so many norecoilers makes me believe you're being misled by the game's demo/thirdperson recoil handling, which makes it look so weird when you're not the one shooting. Spectating someone else will not provide you an accurate recoil animation, and will often confuse users, just like you did.

    There are times I have to spectate players when I feel that they're cheating, and the recoil animation when they shoot with a Shotgun or the USP is very unstable, but I know it's an unintentionally broken part of the game so I just skip that and focus on their (s)kills, because every single player has the same animation.
     
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  4. Slayers

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    I know about the hltv bugs that comes with watching a demo. But i do not think thats it.
    But i would love to spec you ingame and see if it looks the same as these fine gentlemen :)
    Tho it doesn't change the fact that some "people" have diffrent recoil reset timers after shooting, considering that they do get a kill out of it with a straight shot that in theory should not work. So even if it's a visual bug or not it's not possible to do it that consistently with out doing som quirky moves.
    But i would love to be proven wrong :)

    Here is an exampel of controlling the recoil when it's shoot pause then back to spray and then the 6th bullet hit's when im pulling down hard to counter the recoil as i get a feel how badly the added inaccuracy are.

    It feels really strange when you stop and go because in your muscle memory and brain you are used to start from the original recoil pattern with no added inaccuracy and the counter decrements in this case is not enough for a full recoil reset, so more spread of the bullets when you start spraying again and you need to do bigger mouse movements to counter it.
    And i see no big quirky mouse movements to correct the bullets when i watch these gentlemen tap, burst or spray after shooting then pausing to shoot again with added inaccuracy.:Desismileys 6640:
     
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    While I agree with you that sometimes it's strange to see ppls killing while keep spraying, but I believe only the ones that keep killing multiple targets all the time with a single spray are worth to inspection.. because I saw even a very newbie player that doesn't know anything about the game mechanics could head shot 3 close targets with a AK47 spray..
    Plus it's actually possible to control the recoil at a moderate level, but it requires years of game play or direct practice on that.. I'm not an spray fan but it happened a lot that I killed/head-shot single or multiple targets in a situation that I decided to spray, and I can't call it just by chance..

    Basically I say, we can't consider every player that makes some strange Head shots a cheater... the only thing that makes me think some one is cheating is keep doing those amazing head shots for almost more than 60 kills.. that's the time I start to think he is just so f***ing pro :Flag Of Truce:or using some kind of cheats or scripts...

    But anyway that also gives me more motivate to somehow make him my 1st priority target :D
     
  6. duality

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    I think ahd has the correct measure of things here. My concern would be that you're mistaking interpolated 2nd hand spray viewed from the spectators perspective as conclusive proof and you're experiencing confirmation bias - you're actively looking for "no recoil hax" and think you see loads of them. In truth most of what you're seeing is heavily influenced by the multiple layers of lag and interp, both - from the player to the server, and then the server back out to you, the spectator. And remember most of the UGC servers are running a scoreboard ping masker to keep people happier about their pings - the real ping you have is visible on the player '/status' table in console, though this will be a non-averaged number and can fluctuate hugely.

    Real 'No recoil' hacks are really obvious when people are spraying while moving and it's incredibly jarring on the eye. I've not seen many in several years of play. Most cheaters seem to prefer full on aimbots and wallhacks.

    TL;DR Both client and server latency and packet interpolation can make recoil look wierd as a spectator, don't read too much into it. Especially if one or both parties have pings 80+
     
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  7. Slayers

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    This brings back so much memories :D:D:D

    I don't know anything about cheats at all. So calling it a No recoil hack is maybe me barking up the wrong tree.
    But I beleve there is smarter cheats or script out there that do not make it that obvious. Im not talking about massive no recoil where bullets go 100% in a stright line.
    Just removing a tiny bit recoil or some sort of assist and you have a massive advantage.
    If you are not or are familiar with the csgo scene there have been numerous scandals with semi and pro players using cheats, that even if it is a new game would not detect by ither the anti cheat or the human factor. So a game that is soon 15 years old (1.6) can't be that hard to google for a simpel cheat that makes you aim better in a less obvious fashion as a spin bot.
    Another thing the players i have reported so far have mastered how to aim? But some how left out how simpel movement and knowledge of the game works?

    I am watching how the recoil is handeled by the person, the crosshair placement. Ignore the spread of the bullets watch how the control is handeled to make the bullets go where you want them. Wouldn't this correction show even if there a problem with the whole spectate aspect? You cant jus simply putt your crosshair at someone and hold mouse1 and it's a perfect spray with no alterations done.. or is it me? Do i have the wrong version of the game? :D
    But right now i do not think simpel server lag and demo bugs can make some people better aimers. :Wizard:
     
  8. Slayers

    Slayers New Member

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    I have investigated and found out that this is correct and i have been wrong. :Hi:

    I think it was mentioned that there is no way to spot this unless you are standing behind the screen yourself or a video camera.
    So i am sorry for this topic and i'll leave it up to educate others in this matter.
    But still some players are fishy and i believe have to bad aim to be that good.

    I googled around at some "silent" aim cheats that were interesting, but if someone used it it's really no big deal.
    Not gamebraking and it's their loss not learning how to handle the recoil them self.:Pardon:
     
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    You write a newspaper -_-
     
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  10. Slayers

    Slayers New Member

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    Yes.

    And you are here to spread wisdom with your top notch comments?
     
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  11. I Hanter I

    I Hanter I New Member

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    Funny how this guy is talking about cheaters yet he himself is cheating and he's using norecoil LMAO.
     
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  12. Slayers

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    I guess i have no choice but to upload a video of my screen when i play when you refused my invitation to come home to me and watch me play. :Popcorn:
     
  13. NaKaii^

    NaKaii^ Member Donator

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    hahaha im not
    I am not here to spread my judgment overload and I do not have any judgment :]
     
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    Think you just judged me by forming an opinion about this thread :D "You write a newspaper -_-"
     
  16. NaKaii^

    NaKaii^ Member Donator

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    Haha yes I am
     
  17. I Hanter I

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    You're cheating and it's very obvious, if anyone here is using no recoil/no spread it's you. Every single time I spectated you and you hit EVERY single bullet in your sprays and you never miss, it's impossible to pull something off like that, not to mention how every game you're consistently number 1 with 50-80 kills and less than 15 deaths, that's also impossible because nobody can pull off such a ''insane'' performance every single game. Everyone has good and bad games, you only have good games. I'm not the only one that thinks you cheat, I really don't care what you have to say either about you can watch me play bla bla bla nobody cares, you're a cheater. It's sad to see a cheater keep getting unbanned because the admin that is reviewing your demo isn't paying attention to your no recoil/no spread cheat.
     
  18. Slayers

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    Opinion "a view or judgement formed about something, not necessarily based on fact or knowledge."
    habibi <3:Drinks:
     
  19. Slayers

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    Well thats your opinion, i have no problem with that and thanks i guess if i do the impossible.
    But i do not cheat and i will prove it. But i have a feeling you will never be satisfied.
     
  20. I Hanter I

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    Look at this picture: You have 4912 kills with 1083 deaths and you have 81% efficiency, that's not normal. The highest efficiency player after has 2077 kills with 73%, looking at this statistic shows that you hit every single bullet in your sprays. You're cheating and that's not an opinion but a fact.[​IMG]
     
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