Discussion in 'Suggestions' started by ahd, Oct 14, 2018.

CS About Parachutes in 'Knife' servers

  1. ahd

    ahd Moderator Staff Member Moderator CS Administrator Map Developer Donator

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    In the past, I used to complain about hns players performing those skillful jumps and movements that somewhat resembled the use of BHop, giving a similarly-unfair advantage over players that don't to that. Although it Is somewhat unfair because one may not expect a sudden jump, it makes up for the skill involved and the time it took for the player to train.

    Now, there's one thing I consider a bigger problem, which is making an excessive use of the parachute in both Knife servers; certain players make bad use of it to clearly gain advantage over other players by simply jumping over their head, moving to their sides (or even behind) and be real quick on taking their target out. This keeps bugging me a question: are parachutes really necessary in Knife maps?

    Parachutes were originally designed to fall slower (thus decreasing the amount of fall-damage or just avoiding it), and to move from one place to another with ease. They were also made usable by all players on servers that had this plugin running, but in UGC's case, only VIPs (and superior) can make use of it, which limits regular players to the basic movement. While performing jumps takes skill and offers great result, abusing the parachute on a knives-only game mode takes no absolute skill, yet it gives massive advantage, from jumping onto someone's top/sides/back, to combining it with the hns jumps and achieve huge movement speeds, often seen in the "35hp_2 Only" server. I guess this is what @Saymoin once spoke about.

    And now, I'm certain that players from that server that are also in this forum are going to bash-in my opinion, but I would still like to know the one from players that truly know what the 'knives-only' game mode is, how it works, and whether or not the Parachutes feature is an appropriate one, not to cause previous decision controversies by admins that know nothing about game modes they didn't spend at least 10 overall-hours on.
     
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  2. DusT

    DusT Administrator Staff Member Administrator

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    I don't really use parachute when I play knife - if I fall from bridge I'd most likely die because I forget or don't like to use it.
    Although I sometimes (rarely) enjoy using it and just play doing what you said you dont like: jumping over people's head or trying to trick/troll them.
    Parachute was made for not dying or losing hp while falling from a certain distance, but it gets used in an original and legal (not cheating) way, which imo is more than fine: you can't also really use it in an effective way unless you have some skills, so it also depends on player's ability.
    The fact that only VIPs can use it makes sense, they paid for more privileges and thus they get it. It's not that unfair eventually, using parachute has its disadvantages too.

    TL;DR personally I disagree. Parachute should remain.
     
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  3. Mr_Rio84

    Mr_Rio84 Active Member

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    Parachute its very important to vip member why i will buy vip if no parachute :/
    I disagree
     
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  4. ahd

    ahd Moderator Staff Member Moderator CS Administrator Map Developer Donator

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    I get that they paid for privileges and have the right to enjoy all the features, but I'm talking about the Knife servers. I don't see parachutes a necessary feature in those kind of maps.
    You're the reason I ultimately decided to complain about it, for as much as I tried holding the wonder. You rely way too much on killing with parachutes; it's not just an occasional use for you.
     
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    I dont use it that much, what i do in knife, i can do it with just dj (even better), i dont think its harmful because well, i can kill them easily anyway.

    Like DusT said, only vips with certain skills can maximise the use of a parachute, and they paid for extra privileges, parachute on a vip is not a big deal because most are not even good knifers. I kill them easily and im not even “that” good, so i fail to see the issue here, maybe it is lack of skill on your side.

    Imo i disagree
     
  6. ahd

    ahd Moderator Staff Member Moderator CS Administrator Map Developer Donator

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    I'm reminding that the parachute was designed to get from one place to another (nearby spots) and to get rid of dall damage. In knives-only maps, I'm certain you don't need to do either thing; maps aren't complex enough, and avoiding/decreasing fall damage takes nothing. Unless I'm wrong, the parachute is there only to give VIPs advantage over regular players, and I don't see it fair. And again, I know that VIPs have the right to make use of all the available features, but just because there aren't parachutes in 2 UGC servers doesn't make of your privileges a waste.

    @DusT, if you still see it fair for players to use Parachutes in Knife servers, I'd like to request developing a special version for both Knife servers of the Parachute feature so that players don't get to use it as many times as they do per single minute. I mean, add a delay in seconds between Parachute uses, because it's utterly annoying when someone gets kills with an increased speed and then immediately proceeds to do it over and over. This delay would, or Not, prove that Parachutes are necessary to get from place to place / avoid fall damage.
     
  7. Jakky

    Jakky TurėkBėda* Staff Member CS Administrator

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    i'll disagree with the idea sorry :)
    without it i'll not enjoy playing knife sv anymore.
     
  8. Mr_Rio84

    Mr_Rio84 Active Member

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    Yes, i always use it to kill [Backstaber,fly,some skills by using Parachute] its frunny :mfr_lol:
     
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    Let's just remove vip then, because even if they pay for it, kinda unfair to heal back when you kill someone, or exclusively unlock snipers in certain servers because your vip allows you. Not because something is designed for a certain reason that it will be only be used for that reason.
    Vip is purchased and parachute is simply what comes with it, if you want it then use €1 to get it for 30 days, fair deal to me.

    And you have vipmenu yourself, just use it against them? Easy as 1 2 3.
     
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  10. Saymoin

    Saymoin New Member

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    I wouldn't mind taking the parachute off the servers Knife. I would like to see the actual game, not the game only with a parachute.
     
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  11. Lo$ V€n7oCo$

    Lo$ V€n7oCo$ Map Developer Map Developer

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    Everyone should play as he or she wants to, yes it's abit unfair towards other players who don't have vip, but that's what the consumers pay for.
    Just keep an eye out for vips using parachute.
     
  12. Saymoin

    Saymoin New Member

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    Still i think if parachute will removed, then will more online, because players will see fair play.
     
  13. Jakky

    Jakky TurėkBėda* Staff Member CS Administrator

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    it wont ;)
     
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  14. ahd

    ahd Moderator Staff Member Moderator CS Administrator Map Developer Donator

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    It was to expect that those who just love para-stabbing would be against the idea. Mine is just an opinion, though, but in all the time I've been playing the knives-only mode I never got used to players abusing the feature, not just using it properly. Not even the delay between uses suggestion seems to be an option, which just proves what exactly server-specific players get their privileges for and how the community doesn't care about that as long as it still gets paid. If they want said parachutes, just join a server that has them. To play Knife as professionally as you can, do so with your own skills without the handy features provided by the servers.
     
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  15. Lo$ V€n7oCo$

    Lo$ V€n7oCo$ Map Developer Map Developer

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    In one opinion both parties are correct when it comes to paying for privs, but also ahd has a very strong point with it.
    Instead of flying from base to base with a speed of mach 9, the parachute settings should be abit changed when it comes to descending.
    Especially with the double jump feature it makes a vip almost invinceble. Compare parachute with Super Mario who takes a star and just bashes through the map.
    Why not make sure that when people use parachute that they land in the water or just infront of the pool? It's fair for vips and normal players.
     

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